"We are now allowing women to teach classes that men are in. We've never done that before. That's seen as fairly liberal. We are allowing women to have leadership roles now... the only thing is that a woman is not allowed to preach from the pulpit, and is not allowed to serve on the core executive committee."
He glanced at me, watching, trying to disguise my horror. This, according to him, is LIBERAL. This is PROGRESS. In 2007.
Lord, have mercy.